Thursday, May 21, 2015

The Problem with Atheists...

Bouncing around the blogs, I encountered a blog post titled, "The Problem with Atheists". The blog's owner/author is a female Christian apologist, who, by her own admission, is a Bible-literalist. In other words, she believes that the Bible is the literal, infallible "Word of God", despite the mounds of observable evidence that, no, it is chock-full of inconsistencies and heinous scientific blunders, and therefore, cannot be the words of any all-perfect, all-loving "God". But that part is for another discussion.

Anyway, while I may get around to posting a response on the above-mentioned blog, I want to post my response here, first, since I'm nearly certain that I will encounter comment moderation there, especially after having read her comment policy/disclaimer, which closes with the following:

However the bottom line to remember is that this is my blog, not yours. You can say and do as you like, and I have the prerogative to remove it if it doesn't meet up to my standards. And also remember that if your comment is really ridiculous, I might just leave it up for everyone to see the proof that you really are that stupid.

Hmmm, I wonder how she defines "really ridiculous". For some reason, I get the impression that it means... anything that disagrees with me. In any case, my response will be here, and I'll let others judge whether or not it's ridiculous.

The author writes....

Interestingly the topic of what atheists believe and think are explored in this story and the hero of this story struggles with these amoral people from the context of his Russian Orthodox beliefs.

It's ironic that the charge is that atheists are "amoral"..i.e..neither moral, nor immoral, because, interestingly, I contend that that's precisely what theists are. Yes, theists are the ones who are amoral in all of this. That is, when faced with having to decide between "right" and "wrong", they make no moral judgement(s), whatsoever, but instead, they merely (claim to) obey what "God" has (supposedly) told them.

Okay, that's not being "moral"(or immoral), that's merely obeying(or disobeying). Think about it. When a toddler steals daddy's letter opener off the coffee table and starts playing with it and daddy says, "No! Don't touch!", are we really to believe that the child has made a moral judgment? Is the child being "moral" if it obeys?(or "immoral" if it disobeys?). Again, that is a simplistic analogy, but I think it makes the point rather well. I can sort of see where one might be prompted to say that it's not analogous because "adults should know better"(whereas toddlers do not), but that won't fly, because if adults know better, then they don't need to be commanded to do the "right" thing in the first place.

This quote nails it:

Morality is doing what is right no matter what you're told. Religion is doing what you're told no matter what is right.

That theists don't "get" this isn't a problem for atheists, it's a problem for theists.

4 comments:

Alice said...

I get really bored of the "atheists can't possibly be moral" argument myself. It's not true at all.

Surely they can come up with something better;)

Robert said...

Indeed - we all know that murder is wrong and most everyone would recoil in absolute horror at the suggestion that they should slit the throat of their own flesh and blood child ... yet - many Christians (and other similarly devout religious folk) would not think twice if their god supposedly told them to do so ala Abraham ... they WOULD do it DESPITE what they KNOW is morally reprehensible ... they'd do it because "god" said so and they immediately (despite all evidence to the contrary) interpret ANY word their god "speaks" as morally righteous and purely "good"!

Dafuq?!?

/minirant :P

boomSLANG said...

"Surely they can come up with something better;)" ~ Alice

Haven't you heard? They have come up with something better. Yes, on top of not having morals, Atheists have no purpose in life = P

boomSLANG said...

"many Christians (and other similarly devout religious folk) would not think twice if their god supposedly told them to do so ala Abraham ... they WOULD do it DESPITE what they KNOW is morally reprehensible"

I agree, so when you say "we all know that murder is wrong", then these people, in fact, either don't know that it's wrong after all, or they know it's wrong but just don't care. Either way, it's scary sh*t, and it's why I personally feel that religion and other superstitious thinking needs to be swept into the dustbin of history.

('Sorry to the sane, liberal believers out there, but if you know better than to not kill in the name of "God", then you effectively demonstrate to me that you don't need your religion to be moral)